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Okay, I'm excited to present the first talk of today, which is by Jean-Papiste, Eugène

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Eugène and Massimo will tell us about how Kdenlive became the great and awesome video

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editor it is today.

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Okay, thanks for your welcome.

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I am Jean-Papiste Mardel.

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I have been the Kdenlive maintainer for the past 18 years and I'm happy to be here with

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you at Academy.

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Some of you might already know me as I have been on stage a few times already, but it's

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the first time I'm not alone on stage, so I have some team members with me, so it makes

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me really happy because Kdenlive is really a community and a team project, so it's great

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to not be alone on stage.

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So I'm just going to quickly introduce you with the team.

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We have been mostly having online meetings in the last years.

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We hope to be able to make a stream soon.

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And the team who couldn't make it today, there is Farid, Julius, Remy and Camille, so I just

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want to say hi to them today.

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So this is the whole team with Massimo and Eugène.

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So I will now let the other members of the team introduce themselves and we'll keep them.

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Good morning everyone.

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My name is Eugène Moore.

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I'm joining the Kdenlive core team in 2018.

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I'm mainly behind the scenes.

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The coder is Jean-Baptiste Mardel.

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I'm more about documentation and bug tracking and the home page and all what is behind the

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scenes needed that we can keep Kdenlive alive.

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Hello everybody.

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I'm Massimo.

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I'm a video editor and filmmaker and a consultant of the project.

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It's 10 years that I'm on the project and I don't know what to say.

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I'm very happy to be here because I'm very fond of this project and of the guy that worked

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with us to create what we are doing.

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And as we are a video editor application, to me the best way to introduce ourselves is

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by showing you a video.

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Kdenlive is a community project which aims to deliver a free and open video editing software

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application to allow everybody to produce quality content in order to increase the democratization

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of the media.

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The application is a graphic interface written in C++ with Qt and KDE libraries for the MLT

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framework written by Dan Dennity which relies on FFMPEG to decode and encode

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almost all the video and audio formats that are out today and which host effects libraries

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like Freya and MoveIt for video and Ladspot and Socks for audio.

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By following the official documents that we can find on the internet, the project was

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launched by Jason Wood who released version 0.2.3 in October 2003.

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Soon, Kdenlive 0.2.4 followed, but the community did not yet exist and the group was very small.

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The project stopped for two years.

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Before the end of 2005, Jean-Baptiste Mardel, who heard that the project would be reactivated,

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offered his help and in 2006 he signed the post of the new release 0.3 of the program.

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From this moment on, he became the main reference point for the project.

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Version 0.4 and 0.5 are soon distributed, but there is an issue.

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A refactoring of the code is needed to go forward.

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The program has to be moved from KDE 3, which is not compatible with MLT, to KDE 4.

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The rewriting ends in 2008 followed by several new releases, but in 2011 a further migration

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from KDE 4 to KDE 5 was needed to allow the program to grow.

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In 2012, a crowdfunding campaign is launched to fund the operation and before the end of

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2014 the goal is reached.

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Jean-Baptiste was invited to Academy to present 10 years of activity.

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The new perspective is to make the project even bigger.

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Before the end of the year, the first Kdenlive cafe is announced with the aim of getting

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more people involved.

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needed to be cross-platform.

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The Windows version was announced and 2016 began with a Sprint meeting followed by the

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new logo and the new site.

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But as soon as the development of new features started, it was evident that the code for

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the timeline had to be rewritten because it was too old and no longer fit.

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Everybody knew that the refactoring could take several months or years, but the community

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although some fine-tuning was still needed.

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Then finally, since 2020 and continuing up to now, the long-awaited new features along

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with a plethora of new effects and dozens of important improvements have been continuously

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added to create the most powerful, free, and open video editing application ever.

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We have about 100,000 users using Kdenlive daily or weekly or frequently.

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If you have saw a lot of users, you get a lot of feedback as well.

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If the software is running well, you get no feedback.

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If we have a release like 23.04, the bell is ringing after 30 seconds, you have issues,

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a lot of bugs not usable, so have a lot of user feedback very soon if the software is

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So how to communicate with all these users?

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the communication channel for notification of the software.

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It's Twitter and Mastodon.

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The communication itself with our user, we have these channels.

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It's the feedback when something happens or for wishes, it's baktzilla and we have quite

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a big community on Reddit that give us feedbacks.

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other cloud feedback to the supplier as well.

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Downloads.

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You see here a curve over time.

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We have a huge peak on the beginning of COVID.

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It looks like users like to have some video editing possibilities.

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clicking on that and download the application that leads to us that we refurbished the home

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page to make the user easier to find the download page.

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What's really interesting, what is missing on this curve is flat back downloads and the

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numbers from the mirror servers.

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Who is using Caden Live?

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Just make an actual poll last week and found out about 40% social media, it's YouTube,

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it's peer to TikTok.

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I know schools using our software as well.

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additional software.

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So I download the packed Windows version and repack it in a self extraction file so that

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the schools do not need additional software installed and do not need administration rights

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This gives about 10% of our users.

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It's wedding, editing, most probably.

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Some TV we know, some movies we know as well.

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like this one.

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And then the platforms used with Kdenlive, mostly Windows, Linux, and a growing community

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on Mac OS, we have about 5,000 Mac OS downloads.

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On the Mac OS, it works only on the Linux CPU at the moment.

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With such a community, you give a lot of feedback and you get interesting feedbacks as well

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from the user when you're listening to it, remember the YouTube part we have.

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speech and can generate automatically subtitles.

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playhead jumps on the exactly same position.

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than FOSC, I would say translation.

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And even you can make a translation to English and it's about 90, 95% accurate in the meantime.

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So people coming and asking how to donate to Caden CaneLife.

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There was a lot of asks from the community.

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They do not like to donate in a big pot, KDE.

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So we go to the KDE headers, I don't know.

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We started this donation on the 20th of September 2022 and reached our goal within a month,

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meaning we collect 15,000 euros within a month.

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I made a forecast by myself and my forecast say, yeah, within a month we should reach

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further on without some additional needs, let's say.

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This gives us the possibility to implement really bigger features like the nested timeline,

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which Shop Baptist will talk about.

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even more performant.

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First, we thought documentation, secondary thing.

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It's still just our time because it's a huge amount to spend just within documentation.

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itself.

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And then we can further down analyze the statistics.

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We found out a third.

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It's only checking out the effect part and another third checks only out getting started.

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The interesting thing is the people stay one up to one and a half minutes on the page itself,

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We calculated that roughly 10 up to 15% of our users use our new documentation manual.

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And at the moment, we are ongoing with updating the whole effects part that the user has a

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better overview of effects, what they are doing, how to implement these effects.

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And with this new possibility here in Sphinx, it's really nice.

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It's much more easier than with the old system.

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This is a bit of weak part of Kden life, let's say, because the more users you have, you

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have 100,000, maybe even more, they start stealing Kden life, meaning Google advertisements,

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links to other software, we have such cases, or just take the name and behind is just the

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money collector, something like this one.

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We have a logo and the name is copyright on the KDE at the moment.

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and make really sure we protect our work, our 20-year long work now with proper copyright,

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which is really tricky.

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The goal is to keep Kden life free without cost for the future.

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for the project.

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because we have a focused vision of what we want to achieve, what we want users to

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be able to do for Kden life.

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features but to try to make them work better.

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we have a large user community to organize test days, to gather feedback before the release.

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tons of other projects.

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this can lead to a change.

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this will be detected by this test suite.

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will also bring a better regression testing.

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Because that's also one thing with increase in popularity.

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We have lots of users, and also the expectations are a bit higher, so we just can't keep breaking

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everything on each release.

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This is something that we don't do at all, but I think it's also an interesting approach

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because this is something that we absolutely don't test and some parts of the UI would

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really need to be tested.

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So now what changed over the years?

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So I already talked about the popularity of the software.

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Another thing is that before, ten years ago, we only had Linux versions, so packaging was

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Now we provide packages for many platforms.

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We have Windows, Mac, AppImage, Flatpak, PPE, Snaps, and a few more.

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So it's a huge job to do this packaging.

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This is something that really changed over the years.

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I think it has some, of course, some really nice advantages.

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It brings our code faster to the users, so we can also react faster to the feedback.

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But the problem is that it's a lot of work.

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We have some, we use the KDE tools to build these packages.

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We use Craft and we have support from KDE people on KDE infrastructure, but still for

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a small team like we are, it is a huge work that is not, that we can't do as well as we

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would like.

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So this is still an issue.

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But yeah.

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Another thing that changed over the years is us, the team.

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We decided also a few years ago that we wanted to go outside of our bubble, of our Linux

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users' bubbles, to grow, to have Windows versions, Mac OS versions.

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I think it's important for software if we want to grow.

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But the problem is that we are a small team.

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Life also makes that, for example, I have a job, now I have a kid, so I have a bit less

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So we had to somehow find ways to make sure that KDE Live can keep growing.

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So we launched a fundraiser.

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The idea behind the fundraiser was also that I had the opportunity to reduce my time at

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my day job.

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Currently I have one day per week that I can spend on KDE Live, so it's not so much to

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maintain such a huge project.

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And I had the opportunity to lower, and the goal is to have two days per week for KDE

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Live.

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So we launched this fundraiser, fantastic fundraiser.

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It was very successful, as Eugene said.

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We collected money, and yes, as it was also mentioned yesterday, we have not yet spent

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any money.

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So why is this?

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As I said, I had the opportunity to lower my day job, but it takes some time, so I hoped

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I could just switch like this, but it takes some more time.

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So the idea is really that this money will be used when I have some extra time.

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We also want to hire a few people, maybe for some dedicated tasks, but that's something

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also that we're not very sure how to manage the hiring.

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So all these things take some time, and since managing KDE Live is already a big, huge thing,

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so things take more time than we planned or than we would like.

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And now it's demo time.

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I think we talked a lot, but I think it's also nice to also demonstrate a few of the things that we can achieve with KDE Live.

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So Massimo can come.

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He's going to demonstrate a few features that we can do with the new version of the app.

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So we have a demo, and we have a demo.

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So Massimo can come. He's going to demonstrate a few features that were recently implemented,

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like a nested timeline that caused a lot of regressions, but we are working on it to fix it,

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and it has some nice advantages, and also speech-to-text.

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Thank you for switching. Now I can use this one because it's not become too realistic.

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Okay, so we load here our video that we just watched before.

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So we can scroll it, and we can have the first timeline already load here in this space.

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So for example, we can decide that we want to edit in our space, for example, this animation.

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So we start from the first frame. We play it, maybe faster.

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So we go back, and we select the in-out point.

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Who knows already how to work the program, knows what I'm doing, so I set where I want to start

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and where I want to end my clip. I can drag it on the timeline, or I can insert straight away with our automatic system.

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So I can select another point, for example, could be the conclusion, for example, of our video.

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Starting from, for example, from here, and go to the end.

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I just do it, I set the in-point here, and for example, we stop here.

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So now we have a first timeline with our two clips.

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Now I create, for example, another timeline in our sequence folder.

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This is to create a new sequence.

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So we can select with the title of the sequence, the number of video tracks, the number of audio tracks following our needs.

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We create a new timeline, and we can see we have two tabs here.

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We can switch from one to the other.

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For example, we load again our, oh, sorry, we load again, see, we have one and two.

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We load again our clip, and for example, we can decide that now we need the beginning of the video.

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And so we set the in-point on the beginning of our animation here, for example, up to the title.

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And then we can, for example, select, I don't know, when we speak about academy.

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Okay, we are academy, so, well, we don't speak about academy.

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So we select the part, oh, first I have to insert the part I selected.

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Then I go here.

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I select all the situation about academy.

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Done.

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Now what we have, we have actually two different timelines, but not just two different timelines, also two different clips.

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Because if I can load the clip inside our monitor, you can see we can scroll and actually stream again in an out point on our new clip.

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And with this second clip that is, as I show you, contain exactly the part we decide to have.

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What can do now?

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We can, for example, add the sequence one inside the sequence two, for example, so we now have more the other part.

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Or maybe we can even create another third sequence where we can, of course, we decide the title.

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Where we can put, for example, our sequence altogether, have another sequence.

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I don't know why I didn't take the audio two or the sequence one.

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We do it.

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Okay.

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And now we have both the clip.

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Of course, we can trim it, we can sleep, for example, I can click and trim that one.

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I can reverse it.

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They work exactly like with this keyboard.

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Okay.

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Can do.

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I don't know what I did here.

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Oh.

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Okay.

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I lost myself.

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Anyway, I can trim and refine the trimming of the clip and so on.

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So what is needed in this system?

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This system, for example, if you have several footage for a project, for example, that is the same footage that you share for different...

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You make a series of episodes based on the same footage, you can load in the same project all the footage you need and then you add a different version of episode one, episode two, episode three.

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And then you can export each timeline differently, separately in another video.

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And you can recycle any part from a video to another video.

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For example, you've created a timeline with a main title of something.

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You can reuse the main title in other series without redoing all the time.

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So by just using the same piece of timeline in the other timeline.

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Another stuff I want to show you is the subtitle we speak about before.

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So we create another timeline at this point just to have a free space.

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And we take a piece of our video, for example, when we speak about...

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I have no audio here now.

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I go blind so I don't know what we are selecting because we're speaking about subtitle.

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We should listen a little bit of audio but it's okay.

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So just to make a very short test, we have this clip here.

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So in our point...

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Oh, what I'm doing.

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So we open the subtitle track that is here.

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We click on our magic wand and send.

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We can timeline zone.

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As you can see, there is the VOSC model or the model we can select here.

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Now we have VOSC activated.

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So the selected clip, the timeline zone.

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And we can proceed on the subtitle generation.

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So in this moment...

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Okay.

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We have just this table because it's what I selected.

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We will show it if we have more time, more clip, bigger clip.

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We have all the synchronized part of the subtitle that can be moved, can be resized, can be copied,

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and can be also edited in this part.

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Also the text could be changed in this area with the custom text, change the font, change the position, change the color.

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It depends what you want to do.

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This automatic subtitle is the same system.

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It can work by using the clip here.

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We have the text editor as though we can say it before.

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And then by using the...

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For example, we have an interview.

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We can extract the text and edit the interview by just using the text.

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And so we can export the edited final interview based on the section of the text we have liked

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and by dumping the rest of the text we don't need.

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What we...

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Somebody speak about the vision of the future or the vision of the project.

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The vision of the project comes from the idea that from one side we listen to the users

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because they use the community.

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They use it maybe have some ideas that maybe very...

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The idea that we never had, very intelligent, so we collect all the input that comes from the community

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that make the software stronger.

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We know, I'm sure, that even probably software is a spite to us

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because I saw in some software some features that doesn't exist before that we introduce first.

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So they are watching us.

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And from the other side we have also the experience that people like me that work in the field

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so they are in contact all the time with the software or big corporation software.

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So what the editor needs on the field in the company that uses software.

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So we try to make like...

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Take best practice with the round to introduce in our software to make it the best possible, the best.

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So this idea to implement the best practice that video editing needs is our vision.

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And for the future we have to finish between the end of the year what the donators aim to have.

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They ask to us so we are in the road to reach before the end of the year the goal

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with the decor we will do.

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And for the next year we think that we will go forward with insert some AI tools

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and mostly collaborating space online to...

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I finished.

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The collaborative space to make a collaborative job between editors around the world to make it.

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So if you want to proceed with question.

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Yeah, careful questions.

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Thank you.

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Most of all major companies that make cameras have proprietary formats that are not just supported on Linux.

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It doesn't work.

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It won't work and there is absolutely no documentation to start building the infrastructure

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so you can use formats such as like red cinemas, digital cameras that take raw footage.

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Sony has another format.

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Apple is famous for their products.

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There is no support for that and those companies are doing nothing to open source the standard so we can have support.

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So like where do you see that professional? How can we fix that?

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I go or you go.

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You can start.

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My...

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There is a problem about that because this company tried to close more possible

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but they have also arrangement with other companies that provide software.

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So if you buy sometimes some tools you have to finish to work on some specific platform.

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This is actually not something that professional like too much.

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Some like because I have old mentality like they don't think about opening most closed.

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So I buy something that works like I buy a fridge, a freezer so it has to work this way.

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But a lot of people, mostly the younger don't think this way anymore.

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So they would like to be open to use what they prefer because it means that I change the camera to migrate to another software.

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No, I want to use my software.

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And it's always actually a formal scam because actually at the end of the day the codec are always same.

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Mostly they contain specification with containers that are closed property stuff.

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What is inside the container because video files are made by containers so the caps that contain the stream

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and the stream that is encoded by MPEG or whatever it is or iframe etc.

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So mostly they use the same way to compress the stream so that the codec is existing codec

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but maybe they try to have different caps to the entire container to close.

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But I see that at the end of the day for example,

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FMPEG is able at the end of the day to work around the problem.

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There is some problem of patents of course of copyright around this stuff.

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But overall so far I was able to manage to use almost every stream I found.

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In the words of the option you have to convert.

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But this happened also in Avid before, the software that sometimes you have to make conversion to match the specific software.

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So nothing is changed for real.

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So it's a challenge of course.

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And we have to be open to new formats that change all the time also because new compression, new way to broadcast etc.

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I asked demand to be.

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So far we are doing pretty well because I'm able to use it on the field with different devices so it's working so far.

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Maybe one thing also that we should improve and do more is that we have already a small presence in schools

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but we really should do more.

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Also we had a standard All-American Film Festival at the beginning of this year.

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So making also students aware of these issues I think is something that will help in this field.

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Thanks.

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I would also like to point out to the person who asked before there's also the Academy Software Foundation which depends on the Linux Foundation.

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That tries to open source, tries to get industry companies to open source as much as possible.

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And they are quite successful.

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They've got many formats that are open for video effects and video effects tool chains and for timelines etc.

458
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And I think that you are actually implementing some of these technologies already. Is that correct?

459
00:40:30,666 --> 00:40:32,666
We for example incorporate open timeline.

460
00:40:32,666 --> 00:40:40,666
It's true that there is an attention of the open software mostly also in Hollywood for example.

461
00:40:40,666 --> 00:40:48,666
So the fact that the company wants to customize their needs so they look for Pixar or Disney, BBC.

462
00:40:48,666 --> 00:40:51,666
So they deliver what they do.

463
00:40:51,666 --> 00:40:59,666
So because they develop in the open source way they deliver so they create standards this way.

464
00:40:59,666 --> 00:41:07,666
That I have a return from them because if everybody adopts their standards they don't control their standards but anyway they create an integration.

465
00:41:07,666 --> 00:41:12,666
So I hope personally that the direction will be that at the time.

466
00:41:12,666 --> 00:41:18,666
And also in a company like Sony that have old mentality. I quote Sony because of very old mentality in my opinion.

467
00:41:18,666 --> 00:41:20,666
They try to close more possible.

468
00:41:20,666 --> 00:41:31,666
They will not stand for the impact of this mentality that is becoming more spread around the industry in my opinion.

469
00:41:31,666 --> 00:41:48,666
There is a question from online. Will you use any collected funds to support some of the upstream projects and infrastructure that you depend on?

470
00:41:48,666 --> 00:41:53,666
Might you be able to get support from video and computer equipment manufacturers?

471
00:41:53,666 --> 00:42:06,666
So yes that's something that we planned. We had contacts with MLT maintainers.

472
00:42:06,666 --> 00:42:12,666
So the video framework that we use to propose them to use some of the funds.

473
00:42:12,666 --> 00:42:18,666
Unfortunately they were not able. They didn't have the time or wish.

474
00:42:18,666 --> 00:42:21,666
Mostly the time or the need for this.

475
00:42:21,666 --> 00:42:28,666
But yes that's something weird because some of the core issues in KdynLIVE are related to our dependencies.

476
00:42:28,666 --> 00:42:36,666
So one of the tasks in the first fundraising was a task that has to be implemented in MLT the video framework.

477
00:42:36,666 --> 00:42:39,666
So yes that's something that we will do.

478
00:42:39,666 --> 00:42:48,666
I think you said that you're working I think 18 years on KdynLIVE now. Is it still fun? Can you keep going?

479
00:42:49,666 --> 00:42:53,666
Yes it's still fun. That keeps me going.

480
00:42:53,666 --> 00:43:02,666
Because the world of video editing really really changed during these 18 years.

481
00:43:02,666 --> 00:43:08,666
So there is always a new thing to try to test. I really enjoy it.

482
00:43:08,666 --> 00:43:16,666
Maybe I can add something most important for him is that he has a team behind who helps him.

483
00:43:16,666 --> 00:43:22,666
I think years ago we had almost burnout doing everything by themselves.

484
00:43:22,666 --> 00:43:30,666
And now he has a team behind who helps him keep away the daily tasks like home page updates.

485
00:43:30,666 --> 00:43:34,666
Stuff like this one. So he can really focus on coding.

486
00:43:34,666 --> 00:43:43,666
We feed him what's needed or what's a bug could be as good as possible that he just can really hack on the code.

487
00:43:43,666 --> 00:43:48,666
And always new challenges to face. A bunch of inputs too.

488
00:43:48,666 --> 00:43:55,666
And I think this is really important that you have a group behind and not a solo guy.

489
00:43:55,666 --> 00:43:59,666
Because this doesn't work over such a long time.

490
00:43:59,666 --> 00:44:05,666
And just we are thinking about team. Of course we are open so everybody wants to help us.

491
00:44:05,666 --> 00:44:12,666
It's welcome in every aspect with packaging, coding, support, testing, using, whatever.

492
00:44:12,666 --> 00:44:26,666
This is an interesting point. Without advertising we have about two or three people coming from outside and ask can I help on this and that.

493
00:44:26,666 --> 00:44:29,666
And we open them and say yes you can help.

494
00:44:30,666 --> 00:44:33,666
A good example is the documentation.

495
00:44:33,666 --> 00:44:38,666
We have a guy now who is heavily writing documentation.

496
00:44:38,666 --> 00:44:46,666
We have other guys like Davy on the background on the Windows side who checks the forum part.

497
00:44:46,666 --> 00:44:52,666
So it's really interesting that you get on a certain stage some help from outside.

498
00:44:52,666 --> 00:44:56,666
People ask you how can I help.

499
00:44:56,666 --> 00:45:02,666
And this is something I think keeping Jean-Pape D'Isle alive.

500
00:45:05,666 --> 00:45:07,666
No more questions I guess.

501
00:45:07,666 --> 00:45:10,666
Thank you very much for the great talk.